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In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer • Pamela Jones

Frank Schaeffer In Conversation with Pamela Jones, exploring her life and the themes of her book, The Dirt Beneath Our Door.


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Pamela was born in Los Molinos, Mexico to members of the Church of the Firstborn of the Fullness of Times, a fundamentalist, misogynistic cult. She was the 11th of her father’s 57 biological children and 2nd of her mother’s thirteen children and it was from that moment on that Pamela held one single belief: She existed for one reason and one reason only, to be her eventual husband’s handmaid and to bear him as many children as possible.

Fast forward to age 10, Pamela was forced out of school to help her mom care for her 12 children, giving her nothing more than a fifth-grade education.