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"Just Wait 'til Your Father Gets Home…" How 'Good Christian Parenting' taught us that someone always has to inflict pain.

A conversation with Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis about evangelical parenting, fear, power, and repair.

This conversation is personal for me. I knew many of the people behind the world Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis write about in The Myth of Good Christian Parenting. I helped build some of that world. I also had to leave it.

We talk about spanking, obedience, Dobson, family values, authoritarian politics, and the children who grew up inside systems that called control love.

This is not about hating parents. It is about telling the truth.


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Marissa Franks Burt (MA, Columbia International University) is a novelist, editor, teacher, and cohost of the At Home with the Lectionary and In the Church Library podcasts. She lives in a small town in Washington's Snoqualmie Valley with her husband, six children, and heaps of books.


Kelsey Kramer McGinnis (PhD, University of Iowa) is a musicologist, educator, and correspondent for Christianity Today, writing on worship practices and Christian subculture. She is an adjunct professor at Grand View University in Des Moines and previously worked at the University of Iowa Center for Human Rights.